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Nicole Otchy: Welcome to the Six Figure Personal Stylist Podcast, the ultimate no-BS business podcast for ambitious personal stylists ready to build a six-figure and beyond personal styling business.

You won't hear the typical snoozefest business advice that most personal stylists get told all of the time. Nope. Instead, I'll be sharing business-building strategies that will help you create a killer personal brand, a cult following of loyal personal styling clients, and make a ton of cash while creating lasting style transformations for your clients.

I'm Nicole Otchy, your host and a former personal stylist of 14 years who built a lucrative styling business in three major cities, but only after spending years trying to crack the six-figure styling business code without burning out. And now I'm here to tell you how to do exactly the same. Let's get into it.

Today I am joined by the incredible mother-daughter styling duo behind Rose Transformations Personal Styling, Brenda and Kyla. In this deeply moving conversation, Brenda and Kyla share their journey of building a transformational styling business born from profound personal loss and how they have moved beyond their traditional image consulting world to create truly life-changing styling experiences for their clients.

In this conversation, we're also going to explore how personal style can be a powerful tool for healing during some of life's most difficult moments, which I know is going to be something so many of you will be able to relate to. This conversation is a gift to stylists everywhere and a beautiful reminder of the deep humanity at the heart of transformational styling work. Enjoy.

Today we have two stylists on that have their own styling company, a mother-daughter duo, and I'm going to leave it to them to tell you what they're up to and who they are.

Brenda: I'm Brenda and I am the old lady of the group. I work with women who are 50 and over, for the most part. We just have a really great styling company and we are so happy to be here. We love you. You have been awesome. I have a house full of kids, house full of grandkids. Busy lady.

Nicole Otchy: Yes, very busy lady.

Kyla: So I'm the daughter in the duo. And Mom really dragged me into this business with her. Growing up with her and seeing her in fashion, it was always so interesting and gave me this interest in it.

So we do it together, and we see our clients together. We work with our clients together. But then I also—she has the women over 50 side—I kind of bring my own little side, really talking about the mothers and women who are female entrepreneurs, but they're also hustling through the motherhood side of it too.

Nicole Otchy: Yeah. It's really interesting because most people are afraid to have one niche, and here you are having two very successfully, and I think it's such a great example to stylists. So your business origin story is really interesting, and I would love for you to share it.

The name of your business is Rose Transformation, and there's a much deeper story behind that that I would love for you to share with our listeners today.

Brenda: My first kind of experience with color was in 1982. So I have been with this for a long time and I grew up sewing and designing my own clothes, literally since I was like five years old. So fashion kind of came naturally to me. It was just a love.

I have a really creative mind and love to design. So that's how I really kind of got started. That's my background. Got colored in about 1982 and I fell in love with it and couldn't leave it alone. I got certified a couple of different times.

And so I've been with a couple of companies and then ended up moving around. Back in the day, we went from state to state and you lost all of your following when you moved to a different state back then. So we were getting ready to start something new—at least I was—and Kyla kind of decided she wanted to tag along.

Kyla: Yes, and now she's the boss. And the big part in that too is through a lot of the tough things in life is what ultimately led us here together, because yeah, if Mom was always interested in it, I was always interested in the style growing up, seeing her in it and just being very artsy and creative myself.

But then through going through hard things in life and actually seeing what style did for us in those times is really what led us here. I'll let you talk a little bit about Amber—Amber, if you want to talk about that.

Brenda: My daughter, Amber, was diagnosed with breast cancer at 31 years old. So we spent a lot of time—while she was in remission for a while, we were actually getting ready to do a business with the three of us.

We weren't sure what it was. We were in the process and all of that when we found out that her cancer had come back, and that's not good. So we had to take a break. We went on hiatus and we had to, of course, get her through all of that time and, you know, treatments and a lot of research and things.

She did pass away in 2021. So we took some time to, of course, grieve and all of that, but we knew we had to get ourselves together and do something. And we knew she would want us to continue.

Nicole Otchy: One of the things that you have shared in our work together—I've worked with this amazing team for over a year now—helping them transform their business is just the personal sort of side of how the amount of grief that you've experienced, both of you, that you really did authentically reach for style during those times.

I hear a lot of stylists talk about how it boosts your mood and we kind of talk about it in the normal everyday way of just getting to the office or dealing with the kids—another day of the monotony of being a mom. But in those moments of deep grief, you have described using your style to get you through it.

Could you just share a little bit more about that? Was that something you did naturally? Was that something that you were consciously doing? Was that something that you had a lot of other experiences grabbing for as a coping mechanism? Because it just feels so authentic now that I know you both. It wasn't a marketing strategy. It wasn't pop psychology. It was truly from within.

Kyla: Yes. I think it was both, at least for me. So I guess I'll talk for myself for a second.

Nicole Otchy: Yes.

Kyla: I think for me personally, it was both. I wasn't really intentionally doing it, but at the same time, I kind of knew that it would help me feel better.

When my sister had passed away, just in the time that we found out just how sick she was again, I had also just started feeling like myself again from motherhood, overcoming my postpartum stuff. I just started feeling like myself. Then she passed away and it just kind of pulled me right back down.

And I mean down, down. On the couch, barely wanting to take a shower, probably didn't, honestly. Let alone when did I want to try to put myself together and be stylish. But there kind of came this point for me that it was like, "I do have kids at home. I've got to do it. I've got to take care of myself." And I didn't want to do it at all. But I just kind of slowly, I started getting dressed a little, or I started putting a little makeup on, and I started feeling a little bit better and a little bit better and a little bit better.

There were days that I would get dressed and I would just cry and cry and cry, but it was like, "But I did it. I at least got up off the couch." And in that time, anybody who's been through that, you know that that is a win in itself, just to get up off the couch after that.

It was like feeling a little bit better and a little bit better. It was like, "Hey, I got this." Grief never goes away, but you kind of learn to cope with it, right? And so it just clicked for me that, "Okay, I've got this." That's when it was like, "This has helped me so much. I just felt like I wanted to scream it to the world."

Nicole Otchy: How much of it do you think was the fact that it was modeled for you growing up? Because, I mean, I know Brenda, she didn’t just become stylish when you guys launched this business. She is an icon, in my opinion. I'm speaking about her like she's not in the room. But how much did you see that modeled in your home?

Kyla: Oh, a ton. A ton. I also think—and I know she's okay with sharing this—I also had a brother who passed away when I was seven years old. I saw Mom deal with that and be such a strong leader for our family through that. She never tried to hide her grief. She wanted us to see, "It is a struggle."

But like through all of those times, in my eyes, she just handled it so well. And even in those times, I think that you used style—at least in my opinion—for sure.

Brenda: Yeah, you know, and you kind of hit on that, that I hid it, that they didn't see my grief as much. They did, but they saw me still kind of going through the style thing and trying to feel okay. And that's what I would say about the style: when you are in such a hard time in your life, I just remember, wow, when we first lost Isaac, it was really sudden, very tragic and shocking, and I could barely function for like a year. But after a while, I kept thinking, "I'm so tired of seeing myself looking grieved." I didn’t want to see it anymore, even though I still felt it inside.

I had to see myself as myself. I had to see myself as normal. So I wanted the world to see that too because I would go out, and I didn’t want people to look at me and see what I was feeling. So therefore, I got myself back together and picked myself up off the couch and got dressed and started trying to get myself back together, back into my style, back into the things that I knew I should be doing.

Nicole Otchy: First, thank you for sharing those stories with us. They’re deeply personal, but they are a huge gift to anyone who listens because it is really the example of how getting dressed and style isn't just about feeling good. It's about human dignity.

And it is about living, especially in the story that you tell about both of these tragic losses. It's a way to keep living when you really kind of don't want to, and it's hard. It's like an act of humanity that's so simple that it's almost easy to not think about it or to not grab for it as a real strategy because it doesn’t seem deep enough or whatever. But in some ways, it is the deepest, most human thing you can do.

So I love that you bring that to your styling business, because it is the essence of what true transformational style is, it's that act of humanity.

Brenda: Yes. Because of what we've been through, it allows us to see our clients in a way that a lot of stylists don't see them. I mean, we literally see straight to the heart, you know? And we can get to the heart of things with them, and we empathize with them and what they're going through in their life of not feeling themselves and that kind of thing. We can really feel that with them.

Kyla: With Amber too, and our experience and her passing away, a huge, huge hit for me that led me to wanting to be the transformational stylist, it's not about the clothes, it's about who we are.

All of that was after she passed away and we had to deal with all of the clothes in her closet. And she was my big sister by far. I think there were, what, 13 years between us. So I always really looked up to her, and I always felt like she had the best clothes, like always looked amazing.

She did. She was always very stylish and put together. But when we were going through her clothes and I was seeing these clothes that I thought were so amazing, it was like, there’s nothing really—I mean, they were great, don’t get me wrong, they were nice clothes—but there was nothing really that special about them. They didn’t have the sparkle that I always remembered them having.

So it really hit me, because it's not the clothes, it was her wearing the clothes. It was her who brought that life and sparkle and energy into the clothes. So me putting those clothes on just didn’t do it. It was like, "Well, what’s this?"

That was a huge point for me that really led me to doing what we do now, the way that we see things now and even communicate with our clients. It has to be you. You have to be in the equation, and you are what makes the clothes amazing. That’s why you can’t take other people’s tastes. It should all be you and your sparkle.

Nicole Otchy: You have to see it in yourself to be able to give the clothes the meaning. The fact that you're willing to share your personal story and your business story is such a gift to people, to identify like, "Oh, I am the right client for them. I can trust them." And so it’s just so amazing to have other stylists hear your bravery and your honesty and your candor, which brings me to a question that I think is interesting.

You guys came to me at a point when you were launching an image consulting business. And as you were listening to the podcast and kind of getting to know my messaging, you started to realize that there was kind of a gap. Because you guys come to this as very transformational, obviously, like it's instinctually that way for you.

But there was sort of a gap between that and what the modalities you were using and how you were presenting yourselves. Can you talk a little bit about that?

Kyla: Yeah. Yeah. So I think that we were doing a lot of the color analysis, which is great, and we still do color analysis. But we were seeing these clients, and there was just this, like we just wanted more. We wanted to help them on that deeper level.

And as much as we felt good about helping them with their colors and stuff, it just wasn’t that transformation that we really desired and knew we could bring to the table. I think that even, we would try it, but you know, just the color clients, as we came to learn with you, they're not always ready for that full level of transformation.

So it just was kind of like, I mean, the business was working. We were successful in terms of getting clients and even making the money, but it wasn’t what we really wanted. Like, it wasn’t the impact we wanted to make.

Brenda: Yes, right. We wanted to see them transform. Just using color, it’s really helpful, but it can’t really transform your whole image and really give you that extra something that you’re looking for. The inner transformation as well.

Nicole Otchy: Well, there was no space for the conversations, right? Because they were coming to you for this transaction of, "Here’s your colors," and then walking away feeling like, "Oh, I got the experience that I wanted." Experiences and transformations, you can have a good experience in a transformation, but one is a transaction and one is deeper, right? And that’s what you were longing for.

But what’s interesting is you had all the tools to go deeper. You just didn’t have the structure of the service. Like, you both knew how to do style analysis, I didn’t teach you that. You knew how to do all that. So it was that you weren’t taught in the color analysis/image consulting world how to create the service that would be the vehicle for the transformation.

Kyla: Exactly.

Nicole Otchy: So that’s what we built together. What has the experience been like in doing that service, which is called BLOOM, and what is the difference in the kind of clients, the kind of conversations you’re having?

Kyla: Well, we have had some clients, because of our marketing, come in and just right away be okay with spilling their hearts to us about why exactly they aren't feeling themselves. And being able to sometimes even take the content that we may have made, like, "I heard you say this on Instagram, and that’s exactly how I’m feeling," or, "That’s exactly what it was for me."

We had a mom, even, and her son had a childhood cancer. And she really resonated with things that Mom has shared on Instagram of like, "That is it for me. I had to put myself last because I had to take care of my child."

So we've gotten so much more of just those people who, they know what it is. They are longing for not just looking good, but to really feel like themselves again, be able to take on life and power and just show up.

Nicole Otchy: It's interesting because what you're describing is that you changed your services, you made them deeper—you still do color analysis and all that—but your messaging had to go with it. And as a result of you sharing more transformational content versus, "This is what your palette will look like," "This is your season," "This is how long it takes," all of a sudden you realized the audience was actually there for the transformation.

You just had to call them in with what you were saying. In the time we worked together, you've kind of changed your niches a few times. You've tried a lot of things. One of the things I love about this duo is that they will try anything. If I suggest it, they're like, "Okay." Before we get off the call, Kyla is ready with the plan.

Right now, it's on camera. It is on Instagram Stories, and it is incredible. And that's how they've gotten so far so fast. But share a little bit about some of the stages, perhaps we will say, to getting you where you are now with these two niches.

Kyla: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's definitely been a lot of learning, and we're so thankful to have Nicole, that's for sure. It's awesome to work with us, to help. I think there has to be the trial and error. Like, I really do. I think you've got to just go for it because you're not going to know if something doesn't work unless you try.

What is it going to hurt? Just really finding that sweet spot of what's feeling good. After we've really gotten into a habit of—after we work with a client—kind of taking a few minutes to look back and like, "Okay, why did they come to us? What kind of person are they?" Just all of that. Really looking, seeing what felt good about the process, and really refining as we go.

And even in the niching too, you know, we do work together. That's one of the things that the clients who work with us, they really love that we both are at all of the appointments, unless something comes up where we can't be. We work together with any age, but we also have our own little things that we kind of talk about too, our own little separate niches.

One of the things that I think has helped us a lot over the last, like, six weeks or so really is having our posts where we're showing up together, but then also having posts where we're showing up just as individuals. Mom has started her Women Over 50 series.

Nicole Otchy: I love it so much. I get so excited every time I see it on my feed. I have to control myself to not overshare your posts because, you know, favoritism is a thing. Brenda, actually, I would love to hear Brenda talk a little bit about, because this is one of the most inspiring things of my career as a 44-year-old, to see you embrace social media. At first, you were like, "I don't know. Kyla's really good at this. I'm not so sure it's really my bag. It's not really my lane. I'll get with it." But the way that has transformed has been incredible.

You are so amazing on camera, and you're just like a light. So tell me a little bit about your experience and how that has felt getting more comfortable on social media.

Brenda: Well, yes, of course, social media, that's a whole new trick for me to learn. So I always say, "It's hard to teach an old dog new tricks," right? But I'm used to being in front of people. I've always been in front of people all my life, so being in person in front of people doesn't bother me at all. But the camera, oh my gosh, that's a whole other story because I'm always a little conscious about being on the camera. You know, I'm like, "Well, sometimes they don't always show you in the best light," or whatever. Kyla kept saying, "Mom, you have to get on camera. Send me this video. Go make this video. I want to see it."

Nicole Otchy: She gives you assignments. I love it.

Brenda: Yeah, and I probably sent her like 20 that I don't think she's ever used because they're probably stupid. I don't know. But I have learned to just do it. And if it turns out okay, if we can use it, we can use it. But no matter how many I make, it's practice. So I think you just have to practice and show up and do it scared.

Nicole Otchy: It's what desensitizes you to yourself, though. Like the more you do it, the more you get used to seeing yourself, and then you pick yourself apart a little less because you're just used to it. I'm someone that hates that too, so I get it.

Brenda: My husband always watches it too, so I can hear him playing them. I'm always like, "Oh, I don't know, I don't want to hear myself."

Nicole Otchy: There is something weird about your people in your real life seeing you on the internet versus, it's fine to me if strangers see me, but my husband sees it and I mean, the man has seen me give birth, but for some reason, it is a little bit weirder. I don't know why that is. So I hear you.

What's interesting to notice is how, as you guys have reached for more transformational styling services—you have a pretty big package, it's pretty in-depth—you have really transformed yourselves in the way that you've built your business and spoken and doing that. What do you think the biggest stretches have felt? What are the things that have felt like the biggest leaps you've made or the hardest leaps?

Brenda, I mean, being on social media is one of them for you. But Kyla, what has felt like the thing that made you stretch the most in this business?

Kyla: Like, feeling like I am worth that as a stylist, for somebody to do that kind of package with me. That's something that—and I don't know why—but that's something that I have really worked on. Working with you, Nicole—I don't know that I've even really shared that with you—but working with you has really helped me work through some of that. Just being able to see myself as that CEO stylist. I can do it just like any of these other stylists that I've seen online and admired. Just like they can, why can't I? I think that that has been a really huge thing for me personally of just overcoming that and being like, "Yes, I can do this. I am worth this. And I've got the talent. I've got the skill. I can show up at these events."

We actually just went to an event recently where I literally told mom on the way there, because that's like a thing for me. I'm not super outgoing in a large group of people. So I literally had to tell her on the way there, "Mom, I have to put my alter ego on here in the car so I can go to this event. Gotta put the CEO stylist on." So I just think really being able to step into that and into that kind of visibility personally.

Nicole Otchy: I'm really proud of you. Thank you for sharing that. I think a lot of people in the color analysis or sort of image consulting world, some of it is that they don't know how to build the transformational larger packages because they're simply not taught. So there's that.

But a lot of people hold themselves back from getting the coaching or the consulting they need to do it because it feels safer. I think that you're hitting on that, it feels safer to say, "It's $300." So you can't expect—we don't mean it—but to some degree, it's like, "Well, how much of a transformation can you expect from me for $300?"

It's just enough. We're left feeling this wanting in our business, but we're also left feeling afraid of what that wanting is signaling to us in terms of what we're stepping into. The fact that you've done that scared—both of you in different ways—over and over, almost unrelentingly, is the part that amazes me the most. Probably because you've been through so much, your endurance is great, right?

Because next to losing a child, or a sister, this is pretty small stuff, right? So that perspective and that strength you bring is really incredible.

But you're such amazing examples to other stylists to see something more for themselves and to tell them, "Hey, it's not always easy, but we show up anyways," just like we expect our clients to show up anyways. So that's really interesting.

So you guys also have done some other really cool stuff, like you're sitting right now in your styling studio. Can you tell us a little bit about that?

Brenda: Yes. That's a process. It has been a project, I'm going to tell you. Of course, our husbands, they took on this job that they never asked for, right?

Nicole Otchy: One legacy building here, gentlemen. Get with the program.

Brenda: Yeah. So it was a big project. We basically took last summer and built our studio, and it's sitting on my property out in the country. People drive out and it's quiet and charming out here. We love to pamper them out here. It's a great drive.

We hand chose everything that's in here. I mean, we literally looked at it, thought it through, made sure that it would just really resonate with our clients when they came in.

Kyla: And spark creativity. We wanted it to really spark creativity and symbolize their transformation. So yes, it goes with our branding, we have roses and stuff all over. But also, we think of that as kind of a symbol of transformation too, when you just bloom.

So it was a project, though. I just have to say that Mom and I thought that this was going to be, you know, like a week project. Just, you know, throwing up a studio, can't take that long. Oh no, it was about a six-month project.

We just were like, "Let’s just do it. It’s nothing."

Brenda: Just get it done.

Nicole Otchy: But isn't that the way you have to go into things like this? Because if you knew, you wouldn’t.

Brenda: Yeah, no. We wouldn’t have done it. Kyla and I, we did things we've never done before. Let me tell you, we reupholstered furniture. We painted everything in here. We have done furniture transfers. You name it, we've done it. We painted interiors. We put down hardwood floor. We have done all kinds of things that we never have done before. So it's been a little wild.

Nicole Otchy: That's amazing. What's really cool too is that, I know Kyla, your kids are around, so they're watching this. You have a lot of grandchildren, Brenda. It’s interesting to see how it's like a generational thing. Yes, you’re mother and daughter doing it together, but there's the influence of it being on your property, and the fact that your husbands are involved. It's really a family business in so many ways, it seems like.

Kyla: It is. It is, and I love that you brought up my kids being able to see it, because they were around through so much of the building process, and they would try to help. We would give them any little job we could to make them feel like they were helping. When it was done—because they saw what it started as—and when it was done, both of them, they are five and seven, were like, "Wow, Mommy, you worked really hard on this. You worked really hard on this."

My daughter, she is always like, "Can I go work with you and Grammy one day?" So I just love—and it’s like, I mean, if she wants to and we continue it as a family business in the future, sure. But I just love seeing her see me work hard and really show them, not just tell them, "You can go after your dreams." No, I really am trying to show them that they can.

Brenda: I keep telling Kyla, in a few years, we better be on the lookout for a hostile takeover from her daughter.

Nicole Otchy: I think that might be the case. You've done some pretty cool things there too. I can see why she would be very tempted. It's like every girl's dream in that amazing studio.

So I can see why. You also shared an interesting story, if you don't mind sharing, after the Mother's Day episode came out. I was talking about letting our kids see us be uncomfortable, showing up—not just the good parts—and sort of learning to let them witness our transformation as we're in it. And you shared a great story about your son that I'd love for you to share with the audience.

Kyla: Yes. So my son, he's five, and he is my more quiet, more reserved kid. Total opposite of my daughter. He just doesn't always put himself out there in things, and he's just kind of, yeah, just very quiet and shy. His teacher recently told me, she said, "Kyla, I just have to tell you how impressed I am with your son's growth this year and his confidence."

She said, "Of course, you know, he's learned so much too. I'm impressed by that. But I'm mostly impressed by how much he has grown in his confidence and putting himself out there."

Like, they do show and tell in class. And he went from not even wanting to take show and tell to now he'll take things and tell his class, get up and tell his whole class what he has, and all of this, and just be able to confidently do that and put himself out there. Not as shy and reserved anymore.

When she told me that, I kind of couldn't help but go to that thing in me that was like, "It's honestly no surprise that at the same time, I have really been transforming in those same ways." Because he is more like me. I can also be a little bit more reserved.

At the same time he's seeing me do that, he is also doing the same. And he’s in part-time childcare. He goes to school part-time right now. So he's home with me a lot. So he's seeing me working a lot, and I'm very open with him about why I'm working.

Sometimes he sees me have to make the videos. And when we have been on TV before, on news segments, I've been very open with him, like, "Mommy was really nervous to go and do that. I was really nervous to go and talk on camera. But look, I did it. I did it." I'm very open and honest with my kids about that. So I just think that it's no surprise that he's growing in that way at the same time I am.

Nicole Otchy: It's no surprise that when you try to build a transformational business, the people around you transform. I mean, that's how you know. It's like a sign of it. We're so scared of it, but it's just amazing. And that story gives me goosebumps. It's just amazing. It's just incredible.

So what are you guys excited about in this next chapter? We have the studio. We have all of our services up. BLOOM is BLOOM. It’s doing amazing, that’s their signature service. They're niched. What are we looking forward to, ladies, in this next chapter?

Kyla: I am looking forward to—so in the fall, my son, my youngest, starts full-day kindergarten. So we are really opening up kind of almost a next chapter of our business. We've been talking about some plans and things that we have for fall to really put ourselves out there even more than what we are right now. So definitely that.

Brenda: Yes, we'll definitely have more time to be able to grow our business and see more clients. So we're really looking forward to that. Not that we're looking forward to the kids not being around, but, you know, it will give us some more time.

Nicole Otchy: It's exciting. If you could go back to your younger self or before you started the business or you're on the precipice of starting the business, what do you wish you knew then that you know now?

Brenda: I think for me, I wish I would have stayed with this and grown it no matter what was happening in my life. I wish—even in my moves—I really wish I would have stuck with my passion, because this has always been my passion, and made it work.

I really kind of kick myself that I didn't do that and stick with my passion. Also, you know, that growing old is scary, but it's not as scary as I thought.

Nicole Otchy: Oh, we needed that one. Thank you.

Brenda: Not as scary as I thought. Yeah.

Kyla: I have kind of almost the same, because I had wanted to go to college originally for something fashion-related. I mean, it was just in me. And we're in Ohio—not a very fashion-forward area, to be honest. Everyone told me, including college advisors, "If you're going to stay in Ohio," which I knew was what I wanted to do—I'm very much a family person, I could not leave Mom—everyone told me, "If you are going to stay in Ohio, absolutely do not do that. You will never make it in anything like fashion or style-related here in Ohio" with what I was wanting to do—like something similar to this, you know, not working in a retail store. So I didn't. I didn't follow what I really wanted to do, what I felt called to do. I just listened to what everyone said. So sometimes it's like, I mean, I sometimes don't want to say "what if," but at the same time, I do kind of think it all worked out the way it was supposed to.

Brenda: It all worked out because she's still in fashion, but now she also—well, her degree is in marketing, so she knows the marketing.

Nicole Otchy: That's actually helpful.

Brenda: Yeah. So it's super helpful to have her marketing knowledge. So it worked out.

Nicole Otchy: I think it's a good lesson, when you really have a calling, it will keep finding you. Brenda, you're an amazing example of that. Thank you both so much for being here with me today. I have loved this conversation, as I love all of our conversations. And I know that the stylists listening are going to get so much from this. Thank you both.

Brenda: Thank you so much. We absolutely love you and we think you're the best.

Kyla: Yes, we do. Thank you for having us.

Nicole Otchy: I got you.

Thank you so much for hanging out with me. It turns out that social proof is actually pretty important. So if you could help me out, I'd so appreciate it. If you just had a quick free moment and could leave me a rating or review on the podcast app, that would be killer. And even better, if you wanted to share this episode on Instagram and tag me, that would totally make my day and it would bring so much more awareness to the podcast and would help other stylists just like you who are looking to build lucrative styling business because the better each of us does, the better all of us do. Thanks for hanging out with me and I'll chat with you next time.